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you know Pine Bluff Arkansas a little

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north of town they'll know what we call

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the neck McFadden road is on the

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Arkansas River that's why I was born

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there in 1932 and there we we all

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attended we call a one-room room

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classroom there we had what six first

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grade through this I thought it was a

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threat I believe it was and had one

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teacher and you and being the first

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grade you be listening to everything

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happening right over up to all the

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classes so you came out of pretty pretty

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educational little fellow you know after

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eight years there then from there we

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asked all the as up in the warned area

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my great-great-grandfather who donated

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that church whether the search was

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located to that to the community

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his name was a George Warren and then

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from there we move down to the city of

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Pine Bluff and they have our ten the

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first grade to the sixth graders were

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then called Merrill high school then I

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move out west and then in same little

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town Pine Bluff and in the walking

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Chopin School District in what we call

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the the Johnson County training school

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when I first got that if you go up

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through the 8th grade then you kept

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adding the grade when I got there so I

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stayed to the 12th grade and at the end

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of that they call it the Coburn high

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school and that's why I finished high

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school and went to you AP B at that time

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Khan unit University of Arkansas at Pine

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that hit us hard in he you are I'm

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saying I was in high school at that time

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then when I came here where you talking

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to the some of the older engineers that

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we could have done something like that

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earlier but we didn't I don't know why

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but anyway we didn't we

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but if we caught fire side moving and we

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I think we went ahead of them much ahead

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a good mathematic Department and you had

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some physics in chemistry area but I

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went into mathematics and I got my BS

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I start finish there the next year I

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taught high school math mathematics in

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the high school area in West Memphis

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Arkansas that's going right across the

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river for my Mississippi River from our

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Memphis area let's take a one-year then

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I was hired back at the high school that

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I finished from then I stayed there

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about five years and then national

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National Science Foundation it is

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amazing that high school at that time

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was paying small amount and when I got

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the granted about trip of my serie for a

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year I was that wicked that next 63 they

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said hey you got this year's study at

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the universe of Arkansas I'll to work on

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your master's degree then they gave me

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my family up there we stayed up in

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Fayetteville for a year and and enjoyed

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it you know and increasing Sara like I

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told you before was tremendous you know

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so I went after universe Arkansas and

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worked on mathematics and what we call

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applied mathematics then was there NASA

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came through recruiting and you probably

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run into Charles smoochy-smooch were up

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there and I've never met him before and

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he was recruiting and he was telling

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about the he had Marshall Space Flight

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Center and von Braun was the center

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director and of course we heard about

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von Braun but not Marshall Space Flight

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Center at that time then that's what

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it's like dying in Alabama now we'd

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heard about your governor know those

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people you know and he said well he's

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you know he's from Birmingham he said

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well you know it's gonna be in hunts

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field and then about a mile north of

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Birmingham it's a little bit different I

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said well how much different you know

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what smoochy came in he told me about

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the work they had here you know that

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kind of thing then I went back and told

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my wife that you ought to go to Alabama

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said no at that time you know we had

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they had a governor here she said no I

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don't do an Alabama I said well like

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what I got offered to go down to

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Huntsville Alabama

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and she said you sure you want to go

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that's a let's give it a try

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so I came over we came over they gave me

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a trip over here to visit look around

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look for housing whatever and I did that

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and it was a little bit different what

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we thought it was here in North Alabama

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it put we had had framing our mine

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whatever gonna be like you know then

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convinced us that we should go and so we

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came over in June the 64 in your mind at

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the time that you knew about the Jim

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Crow you knew about the whole state of

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Alabama which we thought you know but

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it's totally you're different when we

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got here to northern part of Alabama you

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know I'm not saying that it was all

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peaches and cream but it was totally

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different what we had framing our miles

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that time we had about 700 science

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engineer and winter you support

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contractors and now Hausman was our

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director and I came to work for the

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division chief of Brooks more you've

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probably heard of Brooks boy he was the

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first nun German to head that up so he

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became later on became the lab director

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and house was very quiet guy but he's

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all science he's all headed for the

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mission we was enjoyable to work with

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him

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very quiet few words at that time we had

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the control system for the s4b

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and we've been working the control

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system and I was citing to the at the

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time we the organization was the law was

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the unit section then branch then from

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branch went to the division and I was in

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a unit at that time that my unit chief

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was Herman height

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we called him h cube h HQ after this you

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know we was working with the control

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system and we were we were doing the

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working with the hardware of it test it

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and I what we call our lab downstairs

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area and to see that it was working and

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we went into a tremendous amount of

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testing on it before you would say hey

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this thing is ready to fly at that time

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was using the IBM computers and the

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order that was had those big of vacuum

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tubes and everything at one room was

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that the computer as amazing when you

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look at that then and look at what we

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got now when you got fill out this thing

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and you go to you with what you got in

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your pocket would do just as much as

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what we could do with that whole room

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area keeping it a condition and keeping

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every up going and that was what we had

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and it was amazing but step by step

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everything began to move and was able to

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do put that together and they put able

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to fly that particular crow system on

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that swabby stage it was good work we

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enjoyed it we worked long hours you know

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but

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way the whole division was was dedicated

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then then I got into the navigation

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system for the what we call the lunar

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roving vehicle and that was enjoy

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because they had taken you from s4b

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into that and that was excited and I I

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think I got a NASA or accommodation

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medal and I got a Snoopy on that because

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the on the Astro video and we we flew

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what three three flights on that and one

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of them was the year the very first one

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we had had to had the lunar rover

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vehicle on that launch and the astronaut

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would take it and then you go out and

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locate different location we had but

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mapped out for the got there you know

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and then look at this and this and this

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and at the end we told Scott I think

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Scott was a was the lead guy on that so

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when you finished up just go up at

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special Ken and I see some rooster tail

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what they look like so we get some

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information on that he did dad that was

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excited she was when they came back we

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flew down to JSC Johnson Space Center

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Donnie you know we would interview those

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guys to get some feedback real-time know

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for what the system worked what it did

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what it didn't do was install coming so

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we could take that in an increase for

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the next time we flew three of those

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we build a mall when it's closer we

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could a 3d type model and we could

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pinpoint we call a traverses those of

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the the path you would take traverses

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and we will locate different landmarks

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that we could to get those coordinates

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on those where they can set those in and

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they navigate in sea and in doing that

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you know you would run into some

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problems so in the real time now we had

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to support those people in real time I

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was the copper lab over here we call it

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and we would had a direct line up to to

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the Houston guy who's there we talked to

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and he were talking to relate to the

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astronaut we was given the points you

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know and all those things and it's

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amazing how that had worked but we did a

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lot of ground testing though a lot of it

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if you didn't you wouldn't make it

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matter of fact we went to took tube a

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vehicle wasn't he on the LRV buddy yeah

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that's six wheel vehicle out to to

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Arizona a little above north of our

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Flagstaff and ran up in that those that

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cinder he was prettier

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he wasn't like on the surface but it was

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give you a little bit closer that and we

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had and you had slippage you know you

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you drive the car you'll get slippage

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but you don't see realized where how

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much it is to you started using that as

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part of your system to keep you accurate

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and it was amazing that you get a lot of

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slippage in your wheels when you spin or

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whatever that it knock off for you are

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your accuracy because one time I think

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they lost the one a little little

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fenders on that thing we are on our team

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sign that thing on there and that thing

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end up in the museum somewhere I don't

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percentage while we was very very low

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the four in in a strike laboratory of

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engineer type I came in as an aerospace

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engineer when too many there if if more

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than myself I don't know but as time

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passed by I began to the the problem we

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had at some of the universities where

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you had were called you know black

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universities of college whatever they

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didn't they thought like say you taught

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math but you couldn't have you didn't

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have the right your scopes and her in

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your lap so you couldn't hire them in as

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an engineer so they had to go some other

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like Georgia Tech somewhere for a couple

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years for we could hire though me in for

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an answer which was surprised that we

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was a - we was in a meeting with duck at

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that time dr. Luther was a center

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director and we talked with the

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president of Alabama A&M and and I

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mentioned this to him and doc was

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surprised that he thought we could hire

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them out but you couldn't system didn't

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they wasn't engineer so there was a what

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mathematician you brought them in a

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different that's the difference set up a

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scale suit you know look I came in as g7

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elevated GSMA as an aerospace engineer

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then then you bring them in and then

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after you work and they get for me with

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the job and whatever then thing went to

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I guess you could push your buttons had

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it happens from yesterday to the day but

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he was done within his means what he

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could do

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yeah and within the system that he's

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working in because you start a new

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engineers and type you got to look at

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the other state schools what they done

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we look at graduate out of Tuskegee they

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had a good school down there and your we

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had some out of Tennessee State or they

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were teaching engineer type stuff you

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know you could hire those people because

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I never went out on recruiting team but

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I don't know how you sold that it's a

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challenge ourselves why do you come to

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Alabama you know first thing you get

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when you said it with Alabama just scare

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half of the way you know but once you

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get them here it's a whole different

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ballgame it was it went through

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evolution type of thing to me because

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you could see it by living here you

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could see that progress see when I move

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here we had three sons I guess and the

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youngest one was a one-year-old baby or

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and then we we put him in the college

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the Catholic school st. Joseph's cast

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the screw and then when they graduate

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from there the two of them decided to go

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to head white didn't if we went from it

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white to but alone you know and when I

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went straight from Catholic school at

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that time when they added that ninth

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grade to the high school he went over

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there and to Berlin it straight over

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there and and at that time this one was

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working on my control system for the s4b

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working on the navigation system only

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LRV called the moon become an LRA

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mid-90s I made the branch chief but they

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had opening for the deputy director for

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sale lab so I apply for that and I got

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that so I worked at for many years so

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didn't Jim Mike who was the director at

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the time said a Stronach I need a deputy

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over there so I came over as the deputy

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to Joelle class selling laughs - that's

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the laboratory that I started in then

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Jill retired in mid 90s I guess then I

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applied and got the director of the

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astronaut laboratory

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that's McGann beginning and end you know

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so that was a great feeling there

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looking back it was fantastic it was

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fantastic I remember some of the people

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that was my boss when I got here in

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networking in my lap when I left that's